George Monbiot: On his turf, his writ runneth not

At his recent Guardian blog comment, George Monbiot exclaimed that he wanted ‘his place’ at the Guardian, his turf, to be one where people could have fierce disagreements, unlike other venues.

Quite funny that was, Mr Monbiot, considering how your post was but a fierce disagreement with what someone said. But, as our skeptical lord ably reminded us— in order to fiercely disagree, there has to be an exchange! Audiatur et altera pars.

When one is heard but not understood, he has to remark as Shakespeare did:

When a man’s verses cannot be understood, nor a man’s good wit seconded with the forward child understanding, it strikes a man more dead than a great reckoning in a little room.

To be sure, there is a difference in opinion, Mr Monbiot. Something was said, but it appears you went looking for something else and found it.

Why, isn’t this just as Dee Snider told a certain US Senator Albert Gore about his wife Tipper Gore’s pre-occupation with music censorship at a venue no less than a full Congressional hearing: “Miss Gore was looking for sadomasochism and bondage and she found it”.

There are more parallels than you would think – between the present incident and the hearing, please take a look.

Despite your wanting to be so, the Guardian is not even a place that brooks gentle criticism, let alone one where fierce disagreements are possible. They are masters in scrubbing the record clean.

Examine your own record. This comment appeared first, providing only a link to a discussion of your views:

The comment followed a apparently heartfelt and open request, from you:

Sometime later, this was the end-result (click here and scroll up):

This is certainly not the only comment taken out this way, —all disagreeing views on what constitutes racism, political correctness and climate saving $100 billion funds from those you so bravely trained your sights on, have gone swirling down the drain. How are we to disagree then? The Guardian has succeeded in its mission to show its audience that no serious replies were forthcoming from those you criticized. Congratulations.

Freedom of speech online, Mr Monbiot – just wanting it and ordering around other people, will not make it happen. You’ll have to tend to it, with your own hands. Until then, your hyperventilations over ‘astroturfing’ and ‘democracy’ are nothing but a front for justifying draconian measures over online discussion; your use of the Orwellian jingle-phrase – ‘attested identities’ gives it away.

The Guardian moderator bots are busy at work making this a reality. Let your blog run by your rules, Mr Monbiot – let us agree, first, on this. Your claim to allowing ‘fierce disagreements’ is otherwise an empty boast, and your attempts to take on climate skeptics from your cloistered high perch just a cheap show.



  1. andyscrase

    I saw that comment of Monbiot’s on “attested identities, is it feasible?”.

    Maybe he really doesn’t know how easy it is to set up a fake identity using gmail or hotmail. In fact, any old email address usually works. Gmail doesn’t even bounce non-existent addresses.

  2. John Archer


    You’ve got the b****** skewered.

    If he cannot get his employer’s organ to ‘moderate’ it’s moderation then Smuggo The Moonbat’s continued high dudgeon makes him a laughing stock for, finally, ALL to see — yes, even members of his shit-for-brains coterie. Excellent knifing, Shub. LOL

    The ecot*** has a simple choice in that event:
    • resign, or
    • give up any and all pretension to be taken as anything other than a fanatical loud-mouthed dumbarse AGW propagandist.

    [* added by mod]

  3. Shub Niggurath

    I think Monbiot is building up for something more along these lines (the following is from another climate consensus blogger/physicist):

    Towards an Identity Ecosystem?

    “The US Department of Homeland Security issued a draft report proposing a National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace this past weekend. I found the document intriguing in the context of some of my thoughts on trust and identity, and my own recent participation in the ORCID project to create an identity standard for authors and other contributors to scientific research publications.”

  4. John Archer

    Shub, thanks.

    No problem. In future I’ll be minded to make judicious use of asterisks and hash signs here.

    Do please keep up your coonbat pigsticking as I won’t be satisfied until I hear that that fugly alien self-righteous posturing leftard porker has squealed his last and is roasted on a spit. I know how to hate.

    Good hunting! 🙂

  5. andyscrase

    Interesting link you post there Shub.

    The final line rather nails it:

    There is still that fundamental question of trust – if the government becomes the underlying fundamental trust layer, well, how much do you trust it? Hmmmm….

  6. Shub Niggurath

    For me this was telling.

    “It seems like the DHS proposal is taking all these developing offerings into account, and proposing a way to federate them all (or those who will participate). Good idea? Will it work?”

    So this is pretty interesting.

    Here we have, a vast bureaucracy, discussing ‘identity ecosystems’ and ‘identity providers’ in ‘cyberspace’. And the author’s editorial comments are

    Good idea?
    Will it work?

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